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Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:10:36 +0000

Hi Marc,

The boxes would be at £350/- for the pair as mentioned.

The delivery for the two on UPS Economy (which is 3+ days after delivery pickup, and please also consider time for your country's custom time process), will be at £35/- to Belgium. The total will be at £385/- for this delivery.

If it's fast delivery, unfortunately it's twice more via UPS Express, which was quoted nearly £85/- by them (2 to 3 days).
Via this delivery it would be at £350+£85= £435/-.

Please do inform me which delivery method would be preferred, or another company courier

The boxes will be wrapped snugly in layers of bubble wraps and boxed with silica gels inside.

For reference on me, my UK's eBay member is arstudioworks, which is in good standing and my regular stuff and junk purchases from the site. And also from another CDag's senior member, Brenton West (drdag), could vouch me.

Please do email me at: photoformulary (at) gmail.com if more info needed, plus I am not sure how to access member's email via the CDags's forum.

-Pollywog

pruts on "Looking for a fuming box"

pruts — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:54:25 +0000

Hello

I am interested in two boxes.
Can you send me your price ( total amount included with transport to Belgium) for this ?

thx

Marc / Antwerp / Belgium

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:12:10 +0000

Hi Captivelight,

Sure, I think the previous post had the images shown, but just in case:

-Pollywog

captivelight on "Looking for a fuming box"

captivelight — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 07:26:41 +0000

Hi Polly

Can you post the link to the images on imageshack?

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:58:19 +0000

The top opening is at 8 inches (width) x 10 inches (length).

The frame's width is at estimated at 20.80 mm thick, these will come in two sets, one of the set is for 5"x4", 5"x7", and the other will be for full plate, half plate & quarter plate. These two sets of frames are something I had made just to throw in for this first batch of fume boxes, I suppose one could quickly build any suitable frames for their dag plates for something smaller than 8" x 10". (i.e. - oval shapes, or any odd sizes perhaps)

The internal volume's dimension is estimated at : 21.5 cm (width) x 27.5 cm (length) x 15 cm (height). You would need something suitable to hold the iodine crystals or bromine, pyrex dishes or lock&lock, whichever one feels comfortable to work with.

The transparent sliding panel for releasing the fumes is made of acrylic sheet, which could be easily taken out with the attached screws at the handle if needed to replace with glass if desired. I prefer to ship them off with the acrylic sheet than glass as not to risk them from breaking and it would be much safer and lighter.

It was suggested that brass latches could be installed with it, but I would prefer the user to supply their own as there are tons of designs and shapes at their local hardware stores or online (it's more of personal taste and practicality really) and it could be place anywhere comfortable for the users on the box (left-handed people usually have different preference as to where to reach for the latch). Most of the nice designs for these sort of latches are designed for boats or small cabinets.

It's ready to be shipped out and arranged for shipment, payment could be made via Paypal at this moment, I'll update further if other form of online payments arranged (Google Checkout etc.)

The price for the box is at £180/- each, and for a pair would go for £350/-.

The price for shipment is separate, please do inform me on your exact address for shipment for me to come up with the quote, and any form custom fee or taxes would be on the buyer. In terms of description of the item for shipping declaration, I suppose I would call it as "darkroom tools" rather than "fuming box", which I know would cause trouble to over explaining to these customs.

Hope these explains well and please do shoot away any questions about it.

-Pollywog

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:21:53 +0000

Here are the recent images of the box that was unpacked today:

Hope these images would show, but I had them on imageshack just in case.

Details following in the next post

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:15:49 +0000

The boxes finally arrived!

I will be uploading the images and its details later tonight.

On the side note, I hoped and pray for the well-being of any CDags members, friends & families that was hit badly by the Sandy Storm in NY.

As much as disasters as such brings about great images, which I think will be part for those affected by it, I do hope all are in good health and recover well.

Take care and I'll post an update soon.
-Pollywog

TyG on "Modern 8x10 Field Plate Camera"

TyG — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:36:47 +0000

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csant on "Looking for a fuming box"

csant — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:05:21 +0000

Thank you Pollywog for answering Rob's questions - they were also mine but I refrained from just asking the same… Let us know when you are ready - and you'll have at least my order flying in!

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:01:14 +0000

Hi Rob,

Thanks for asking a few, but very important questions.

I thank you for the compliment, but I have to tribute the design which I had observed across the gallery of the CDag's significant members; Ivan Rose, Marc Fish, Mike Robinson, and certainly highly appreciated advise from Brenton West.

On the box:

As on how the plates would be held, there's four rails to hold the plates/smaller frames. I suppose it'll give the desired effect that you had mentioned.

The fume boxes are located in Malaysia, or at the sea as we speak, heading towards London right now. And I am currently located in Plymouth, which is unfortunately I would not be able to produce anymore images other than the ones I had shown earlier. I promise I'll upload the details as requested by the end of the month.

The sizes of the frames, as seen in the pictures:

(1) Whole Plate: 8 1/2 inches x 6 1/2 inches
(2) Half Plate: 6 3/8 inches x 4 3/4 inches
(3) Quarter Plate: 4 1/4 inches x 3 1/4 inches

The sizes of the frames were based from Chevalier's dimension on Daguerreotype's plate sizes, which it was based to English plate sizes, I think the French plates had slightly different sizes for their whole, half and quarter plates.

In any case, other sized frames shouldn't be hard to make and quite fast to lash out in the woodshop here in Plymouth. If anyone have different sizes, like modern film sizes, I could do those if requested. The largest opening of the box is 8" x 10", so it'll be anything smaller of frames (i.e.: 4" x 5", 5" x 7" etc.).

In terms of leakage, I had recalled speaking with a lab technician in regards for keeping resublimed iodine crystals in a tupperware like Lock & Lock, he mentioned it might work if its tested with regular smoke first and observed for any signs of leakage before committing to iodine crystals, the discussion was brief but requires proof that it must work safely.

In terms of the box being a used as a storage, from what I had seen, won't be a perfect tool for it. What I had observed previously from Christopher Brenton West's workshop, is to put the iodine crystals back into its original lab bottle containment,

The iodine fumes would raise significantly at 18-20 degree Celsius. The temperature in the UK requires a bit of help warming up the crystals as it's always on the lower side in most of the shaded environment, hence it's just safer to have those crystals in the bottle rather than in the box.

In my previous (prototype) box, I had made an extra internal box, where its lips touches the glass/acrylic. This might work to evenly distribute the fume (theoretically at least), but I had noticed that it runs the risk of the wood expanding if the humidity goes high, it was a component that I had to let go for this batch until I find some way suitable to fit this kind of design.

I had tried bottom spring, but I ended up having a hard time shoving the glass/acrylic sheet back in as it tilts the dish inside. Probably another member could advise me on this.

There's a ton of ways modifying the box to suit the users, I believe this fuming box would work for quite a while.

In terms of price, I had mentioned it'll be at GBP 180/- each, I suppose a pair would go at GBP 350/-. I know I won't be rich doing this, but at least it's something for future daguerrean to maintain the practice. Who knows, I might go all out making a basic "Dag Kit" in the future.

The shipment to the USA, I'll have to calculate first where exactly it'll go to in the US once I have the box at hand (it's roughly around 4 kg, packed should be around 5kg with foams and box). I wonder what to write it off as? A small furniture? Lol.

I hoped these explanation answered some of the enquiries. I'll put up the following images of the fuming box soon.

-Pollywog

dagist on "Looking for a fuming box"

dagist — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:03:01 +0000

Dear Pollywog,

You have produced some beautiful sensitizing boxes that have a wonderful old-school (19th century) look to them.

I have a couple questions. I can't tell from your photos how a plate is prevented from falling through the opening in the nesting plate holders. I'm assuming you have at least two (hopefully four) rails or rabbets in the openings of each of your plate holder sizes, or small wires in the corners, but they aren't visible in your photos.

I ask this because it's aesthetically more pleasing when the sensitized area of the plate has an even border of non-sensitization around the entire perimeter (all four sides) of the plate instead of just on two sides or with a corner holding method. Can you post another photo that shows how the plate is held in?

Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to prevent iodine from leaking out of the boxes when not in use (and while in use) which is usually accomplished by some type of screw-clamp from above, or spring pressure from underneath, the iodine dish. Do you have an idea for accomplishing this? I don't know of any glass or Pyrex dishes that have airtight lids and I'm not sure how suitable the Tupperware you mentioned will be for long-term iodine or bromine storage.

Have you come up with a final price for your new boxes; is there a discount if someone purchases two boxes to accommodate their iodine and bromine? What are the dimensions of the plate holders that will come with each box? A shipping price per box to the US would also be helpful.

Thanks for taking the initiative to produce new sensitizing boxes and make them available to the many potential new daguerreians who have become fascinated by the process and want to produce images for themselves.

Cheers,
Rob McElroy
Buffalo, NY

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:16:55 +0000

Again, I had trouble uploading the images here.

These are the links to the finished fuming box:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/img0138lug.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/img0133ra.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/img0135de.jpg/

Hope these shows up.

Take care.
-Pollywog

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:09:43 +0000

Sorry for the long wait, I had to manage quite a number of difficult papers in the last few months (doing PhD and all).

In any case, back to the Dag world. Yes, good news, the box is ready and it's currently on the ship to London. I had to manage to have them built in Malaysia just to keep the cost low. I'm going up to London by the end of the month (31st October) to receive them and hopefully, if there's interest, I'll reserve a few as enquired by some members earlier.

The box's design was prepped with an arm rest at the back to prevent the top part from falling all the way to the back and risking the its hinges from breaking off. It's slightly bigger to accommodate to the slightly larger 8" x 10" opening, so one could fit similar or lesser size catch frame.

I hope this news would ease to those waiting for it.

-Pollywog

botticelli1972 on "Looking for a fuming box"

botticelli1972 — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:41:13 +0000

Any news?

sal on "ISO: Daguerreotypists for NYC Wedding"

sal — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 22:20:26 +0000

I've been looking through Mr. Spagnoli's online information, and I haven't found any way to contact him. Do you know if he has an email address or phone number?

Thank you, again.

-- Sal
smile.

dagist on "ISO: Daguerreotypists for NYC Wedding"

dagist — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:09:13 +0000

Sal,

Jerry Spagnoli is the master and has his studio on West 26th St. in NYC. If he's in town, and available, a daguerreotype by Jerry will be one of your sister and her husband's most treasured wedding gifts.

Good luck,
Rob McElroy
Buffalo, NY

sal on "ISO: Daguerreotypists for NYC Wedding"

sal — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:26:25 +0000

My "little" sister is getting married this week, is an artist and a professor of photography, and it _just_ occurred to me that the best gift I could possibly give here is a Daguerreotype of her and her husband (better late than never?). I know this is ridiculously late notice, but on the off chance it can be done, does anyone know a daguerreotypist in or near the NYC area who might be interested or know someone who is?

Thanks!

-- Sal

P.S. I'm sure this is a biased audience, but if you were giving a gift, would you make a daguerrotype, tintype, or something else? Not being a photo person myself, is one substantially more "interesting" (from a a historical perspective) than the other? Or more practical?

smile.

CasedImage on "Ivan Rose Sliding Box camera + Dallmeyer Petzval"

CasedImage — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:29:31 +0000

Just a note to say the forum is having difficulties accepting image attachements, so I have manually loading these images for Jereon.

mudar on "Ivan Rose Sliding Box camera + Dallmeyer Petzval"

mudar — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 06:44:36 +0000

I got some more specific info on the lens:

1862 1B Carte de Visite' lens with 2" diameter lens elements with 4 1/4" focal length.

My best, Jeroen

mudar on "Ivan Rose Sliding Box camera + Dallmeyer Petzval"

mudar — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 03:45:02 +0000

Very beautifull build replica Daguerreotype sliding box camera.
The camera is build by Ivan Rose, the wood is Mahony and metal parts Brass, very nice made with alot of small details!
The camera comes with two plate holders for 1/4 and 1/6 plate.
The lens on the camera is an aprox. 6" Dallmeyer Petzval, which look like is half of a stereo pair. Ser. nr. is 3656.

Price 1050 euro excl. shipping and costs!
For more pictures or info you can contact me on jeroen@mudar.nl

csant on "Looking for a fuming box"

csant — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:03:02 +0000

Thank you for the update! Looking forward to it - I am waiting !
cheers,
c

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:14:00 +0000

Here's the link to the image:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/iodinboxinprogress.jpg/

I can't seem to upload my image here, hopefully this works.

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:05:23 +0000

Sorry, had trouble uploading the image. I'll try to upload the image again

Pollywog on "Looking for a fuming box"

Pollywog — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:01:08 +0000

Hi Csant,

The box is still in production, it should be done by the end of this month. It's about 80% done as we speak (as the image shown)

They are re-adjusting out for few more components like the brass hinges attachments. The slight delay was due to the woodshop was on a break for a few weeks last month.

I'll certainly post it up here once it's completed.

-Pollywog

csant on "Looking for a fuming box"

csant — Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:00:06 +0000

Summer is over and I am starting to think ahead… Pollywog, any news on your fuming boxes?
Cheers,
c

photolytic on "Please need help what are these boxes"

photolytic — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:27:07 +0000

According to this report mercury boxes designed to hold "2 or more plates" were available as early as 1853.

http://www.earlyphotography.co.uk/site/entry_H1.html

Knight's catalogue of 1853 shows a similar box to this example described as the 'Improved Mercury Box', however it is fitted with a slide to view the plate rather than a hinged flap. The cost was £1.9.0 for a model without a thermometer. Also shown is a model where the exposed plate is attached to the slanted lid of the box, the lid has to be raised to see the progress of development (this is also illustrated in the 'Barger, White, Daguerreotype' book). A further type where the plate is held vertically is shown and described as by Bingham (presumably R.J. Bingham). In Willats's 'Practical Hints' a box is illustrated able to take two or more plates next to each other, the plate holders rest against the outside of the box and have short handles attached to lift them.

Presumably these could be used to develop a pair of stereo sixth plates, exposed simultaneously in a 2 lens stereo camera.

dagist on "Please need help what are these boxes"

dagist — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:22:27 +0000

Yes, John, you are correct. With the cold mercury development technique you developed, you could put more than one plate inside your vacuum dessicator and they would all process at the same time using the same volume of mercury vapor. I should have qualified my statement by specifying that mercury-developed daguerreotypes (which are over 99% of all daguerreotypes ever made) were only processed one at a time.

Even Becquerel-developed daguerreotypes are rarely (if ever) developed using some multiple-plate device. Yes, you can put multiple filters over multiple plates and expose them to the sun or other light source at the same time, but I would consider that type of development to be individual development because they are usually just the individual plate holders being used to develop one image per plate holder.

If I had more than one mercury box and developed a plate in each box at the same time, I would still consider the plates to be individually developed; they each have their own unique developing chamber.

Cheers,
Rob

photolytic on "Please need help what are these boxes"

photolytic — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:52:43 +0000

Rob you are correct up to a point but your last claim that Dags "are always developed one at a time" only applies to most 19th Century Daguerreotypists. If you read my 1998 article "Warming up to Cold Mercury", in the resources section, you will see that several Dags can be developed at a time in a vacuum desiccator with a mult-slotted holder. Many B-Daggists also develop more than one Dag at a time since the developing process takes several hours for each plate. Too long to wait for the results of the first one before trying another shot.

Creedsd on "Please need help what are these boxes"

Creedsd — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:57:42 +0000

Rob that was fantastic. I really appreciate you willing to share your knowledge with my Wife and I. We both find daguerreotypes beautiful and fascinating. Now we know what we have! Happy daguerreotyping (sp).

All the best,

Chris

dagist on "Please need help what are these boxes"

dagist — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:53:21 +0000

Chris,

Development tanks like you have were never used in the daguerreian era. Nor are they used by modern daguerreotypists.

The reason is, is because your tanks are designed to process (develop) multiple glass-plate negatives all at once. That is what all those slots are for; multiple plates all processed at the same time. That type of multiple-plate development is not part of the daguerreotype process.

On the contrary, daguerreotypes are always developed one at a time (not in multiples) and the development process is not done by immersing the daguerreotype in a liquid. Daguerreotypes are developed using either the vapor of heated mercury or bright light through a filter.

Hopefully that will clear things up for you.

Rob McElroy
Buffalo, NY